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@Rich-Harris Rich-Harris commented Mar 20, 2025

Follow-up to #15553 which fixes this case.

Unfortunately it changes the behaviour of effects in a way that could be considered breaking — in a case like this, where a derived that's local to an effect depends on state outside the effect...

let count = $state(0);

$effect(() => {
  let double = $derived(count * 2)

  console.log('init ' + double);

  return function() {
    console.log('cleanup ' + double);
    console.log(this);
  };
});

...today the effect will re-run when count changes, but in this PR it won't. I'm not sure there's a way to have that behaviour and have effects not depend on deriveds that depend entirely on local state. I think this is the right trade-off, but I'd love to hear from other maintainers.

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@Rich-Harris Rich-Harris changed the title Untrack own deriveds 2 fix: don't depend on deriveds created inside the current reaction Mar 20, 2025
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If we don't want effects to rerun when state they create changes, then by extension we also don't want that for deriveds, regardless what sources they have. I also don't know in what situation you would create a derived inside an effect and want it to re-run when said derived changes.
Having said all that, these nuances make it increasingly hard to explain when effects rerun - we need to find a good mental model for that and put it down in the docs.

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trueadm commented Mar 21, 2025

I think this is a sensible change, but it's also maybe a breaking change. I guess we can release it and address if that is the case.

@Rich-Harris Rich-Harris merged commit d2e7932 into main Mar 21, 2025
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maxnowack commented Mar 24, 2025

Unfortunately this breaks the svelte integration of SignalDB 😕
See maxnowack/signaldb#1536

Some more information about the integration: https://signaldb.js.org/guides/svelte/

cc @ykrods

dummdidumm added a commit that referenced this pull request Sep 23, 2025
As part of sveltejs/kit#14481 we discovered that deriveds created within reactions and reading from them in that same reaction is actually useful in some cases, as such a use case we couldn't imagine yet in #15564 has appeared.

We think it's ultimately better to rerun on those cases, so we're going to make this change in async mode (that way the behavior doesn't change unless you have enabled the experimental flag)
dummdidumm added a commit that referenced this pull request Sep 23, 2025
…#16823)

* fix: depend on reads of deriveds created within reaction (async mode)

As part of sveltejs/kit#14481 we discovered that deriveds created within reactions and reading from them in that same reaction is actually useful in some cases, as such a use case we couldn't imagine yet in #15564 has appeared.

We think it's ultimately better to rerun on those cases, so we're going to make this change in async mode (that way the behavior doesn't change unless you have enabled the experimental flag)

* fix tests
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